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		<title>By: Graham Wegner</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/06/17/teachers-are-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-12238</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Wegner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, the quality of my commenters outweighs the original post. Thank you all. A different perspective reveals which of my statements were made in haste - and this thread of expertise runs parallel to my previous discussions with Brett Moller on &quot;what is truth?&quot; Add &quot;what is an expert?&quot; to that and we do have shifting goalposts. I get where Alex is coming from when he reminds us that the goal is learning but I do think that individual teachers do develop expertise that can be and possibly should be shared beyond the boundaries of their own school. The development of expertise as something of value seems to resonate through the comments here but maybe we need to beware the self proclaimed &quot;Expert&quot;. I do agree that fear is a common denominator - fear of being wrong so let&#039;s defer to the experts - that way it won&#039;t be our fault.  

And in reply to Doug&#039;s self imposed question, &quot;Why would anyone want to do this? &quot; in reference to blogging, the quality of responses here from networked colleagues from anytime anywhere is my answer. I can&#039;t sort through these ideas on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the quality of my commenters outweighs the original post. Thank you all. A different perspective reveals which of my statements were made in haste &#8211; and this thread of expertise runs parallel to my previous discussions with Brett Moller on &#8220;what is truth?&#8221; Add &#8220;what is an expert?&#8221; to that and we do have shifting goalposts. I get where Alex is coming from when he reminds us that the goal is learning but I do think that individual teachers do develop expertise that can be and possibly should be shared beyond the boundaries of their own school. The development of expertise as something of value seems to resonate through the comments here but maybe we need to beware the self proclaimed &#8220;Expert&#8221;. I do agree that fear is a common denominator &#8211; fear of being wrong so let&#8217;s defer to the experts &#8211; that way it won&#8217;t be our fault.  </p>
<p>And in reply to Doug&#8217;s self imposed question, &#8220;Why would anyone want to do this? &#8221; in reference to blogging, the quality of responses here from networked colleagues from anytime anywhere is my answer. I can&#8217;t sort through these ideas on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/06/17/teachers-are-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-12236</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For me the important question is not web 2.0 as such but how do we work out who an expert is?&quot;  I found this comment from Bill an important contribution to the discussion.  Depth of expertise is still vital - if anything more so than ever! By collaborating we can learn together more quickly than in print-based environments - but underlying all this is the requirement for people to &#039;plumb the depths&#039; as well as to engage in Geetha&#039;s ever important slow learning approach. Perhaps if we used more &#039;slow learning&#039; woven into web 2.0 teachers could become more adaptive more quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me the important question is not web 2.0 as such but how do we work out who an expert is?&#8221;  I found this comment from Bill an important contribution to the discussion.  Depth of expertise is still vital &#8211; if anything more so than ever! By collaborating we can learn together more quickly than in print-based environments &#8211; but underlying all this is the requirement for people to &#8216;plumb the depths&#8217; as well as to engage in Geetha&#8217;s ever important slow learning approach. Perhaps if we used more &#8217;slow learning&#8217; woven into web 2.0 teachers could become more adaptive more quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Wati Wara</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/06/17/teachers-are-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-12225</link>
		<dc:creator>Wati Wara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;teachers are not comfortable with sharing ideas and opinions in such a public space&quot;

I notice that &#039;Hey Jude&#039; has picked on this as well - FEAR. I have  worked in adult education for a while and the one thing that really struck me was their fear, fear of doing something wrong, fear of pressing the wrong key and &#039;buggering it up&#039;, fear, fear, fear.  What I had to do was show them a way that they could do things that had a &#039;backup plan&#039; and then things started to happen.....slowly.

Sooooooo, teachers are definitely not the only ones that feel this way.  It is more an adult or old farts thing. I think that this reflects the fact that learning involves a state of vulnerability and this does not mix well with fear -  simple as that.

The environment that we try so hard to create for our learners needs to also be available to us teachers and for that matter all of us old farts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;teachers are not comfortable with sharing ideas and opinions in such a public space&#8221;</p>
<p>I notice that &#8216;Hey Jude&#8217; has picked on this as well &#8211; FEAR. I have  worked in adult education for a while and the one thing that really struck me was their fear, fear of doing something wrong, fear of pressing the wrong key and &#8216;buggering it up&#8217;, fear, fear, fear.  What I had to do was show them a way that they could do things that had a &#8216;backup plan&#8217; and then things started to happen&#8230;..slowly.</p>
<p>Sooooooo, teachers are definitely not the only ones that feel this way.  It is more an adult or old farts thing. I think that this reflects the fact that learning involves a state of vulnerability and this does not mix well with fear &#8211;  simple as that.</p>
<p>The environment that we try so hard to create for our learners needs to also be available to us teachers and for that matter all of us old farts.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Graham, 

The notion of using &quot;web2.0&quot; tools to expand expertise (certainly possible IMO) is different from the notion of teachers already being experts. I try to avoid generalisations about teachers because in my experience teachers vary a lot in all sorts of ways. 

I could ask you what areas of your expertise have been enhanced, apart from web2.0 expertise, by your active participation in web2.0 technology? This might lead onto further analysis about what is really important about the web - that it is a superior medium - which is a different issue than expertise as such. 

I thought one thing missing in your post Graham was the disruptive effects of technology on School and many of our ideas, including our idea of expertise. I think it is the disruptive potential that makes the system and some teachers (many follow the lead of the system) hesitant. In the meantime computers are used in non disruptive, less interesting ways, eg. for writing reports

The bible writing monks were experts at all things involved in being a bible writing monk. But that didn&#039;t make them experts in all things involving printing. I wonder how many made the transition?

The internet has certainly blurred the lines between expert and amateur. But as well as some amateurs displaying expert knowledge there are also lots of amateurs pretending to be experts when they are not. For me the important question is not web 2.0 as such but how do we work out who an expert is? Expertise is special IMO and ought to be valued. I&#039;m critical of theories that just emphasise the importance of connection without saying much else.

&lt;a href=&#039;http://many.corante.com/archives/2007/05/24/what_are_we_going_to_say_about_cult_of_the_amateur.php&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is an interesting post &lt;/a&gt; by clay shirky when he went along to a forum to criticise a book about &quot;the cult of the amateur&quot; and ended up saying that it made some valid points against some more one eyed blog evangelists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Graham, </p>
<p>The notion of using &#8220;web2.0&#8243; tools to expand expertise (certainly possible IMO) is different from the notion of teachers already being experts. I try to avoid generalisations about teachers because in my experience teachers vary a lot in all sorts of ways. </p>
<p>I could ask you what areas of your expertise have been enhanced, apart from web2.0 expertise, by your active participation in web2.0 technology? This might lead onto further analysis about what is really important about the web &#8211; that it is a superior medium &#8211; which is a different issue than expertise as such. </p>
<p>I thought one thing missing in your post Graham was the disruptive effects of technology on School and many of our ideas, including our idea of expertise. I think it is the disruptive potential that makes the system and some teachers (many follow the lead of the system) hesitant. In the meantime computers are used in non disruptive, less interesting ways, eg. for writing reports</p>
<p>The bible writing monks were experts at all things involved in being a bible writing monk. But that didn&#8217;t make them experts in all things involving printing. I wonder how many made the transition?</p>
<p>The internet has certainly blurred the lines between expert and amateur. But as well as some amateurs displaying expert knowledge there are also lots of amateurs pretending to be experts when they are not. For me the important question is not web 2.0 as such but how do we work out who an expert is? Expertise is special IMO and ought to be valued. I&#8217;m critical of theories that just emphasise the importance of connection without saying much else.</p>
<p><a href='http://many.corante.com/archives/2007/05/24/what_are_we_going_to_say_about_cult_of_the_amateur.php' rel="nofollow">Here is an interesting post </a> by clay shirky when he went along to a forum to criticise a book about &#8220;the cult of the amateur&#8221; and ended up saying that it made some valid points against some more one eyed blog evangelists</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Holt</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/06/17/teachers-are-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-12212</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham,
Interesting read. Thanks
I think a major point in the entire discussion about Web 2.0 is fisrt figuring out who is using the Web 1.0, or technology at all!

We have a terrible time just getting people on the train, which happens to be moving, AND it happens to be picking up speed. 

Web 2.0? 
Heck, lets get them on Web 1.0 first!

Tim 
El Paso Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham,<br />
Interesting read. Thanks<br />
I think a major point in the entire discussion about Web 2.0 is fisrt figuring out who is using the Web 1.0, or technology at all!</p>
<p>We have a terrible time just getting people on the train, which happens to be moving, AND it happens to be picking up speed. </p>
<p>Web 2.0?<br />
Heck, lets get them on Web 1.0 first!</p>
<p>Tim<br />
El Paso Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article really opened my eyes to something that I&#039;ve been doing for years, but so few teachers I know really grasp.

We constantly stress using technology in the classroom as an educational tool for the students. We have inservices and seminars on how we can use technology to teach.

But most teachers are scared of technology.

I graduated from college in 2002. What tools are available now that weren&#039;t available 5 years ago?

Google News (2002)
WordPress.org (2003)
MySpace (2003)
Gmail revolutionized webmail (2004)
Flickr (2004)
YouTube (2005)
Google Maps (2005)
And the list continues....

Because of this, most teachers are unaware of the technologies out there. And even those who are aware don&#039;t all know how to use them.

What struck me today was that most teachers see technology as something they need to master in order to teach children. What I&#039;ve done for as long as I can remember is to use technology as a learning tool.

We all know that we teach children and we also learn from them in the process. What we seem to fail to remember is that we can teach them with technology and learn from them and it in the process. As Alexander said, &quot;I&#039;m no expert. I&#039;m a learner. THEY call me a teacher.&quot;

Great words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article really opened my eyes to something that I&#8217;ve been doing for years, but so few teachers I know really grasp.</p>
<p>We constantly stress using technology in the classroom as an educational tool for the students. We have inservices and seminars on how we can use technology to teach.</p>
<p>But most teachers are scared of technology.</p>
<p>I graduated from college in 2002. What tools are available now that weren&#8217;t available 5 years ago?</p>
<p>Google News (2002)<br />
WordPress.org (2003)<br />
MySpace (2003)<br />
Gmail revolutionized webmail (2004)<br />
Flickr (2004)<br />
YouTube (2005)<br />
Google Maps (2005)<br />
And the list continues&#8230;.</p>
<p>Because of this, most teachers are unaware of the technologies out there. And even those who are aware don&#8217;t all know how to use them.</p>
<p>What struck me today was that most teachers see technology as something they need to master in order to teach children. What I&#8217;ve done for as long as I can remember is to use technology as a learning tool.</p>
<p>We all know that we teach children and we also learn from them in the process. What we seem to fail to remember is that we can teach them with technology and learn from them and it in the process. As Alexander said, &#8220;I&#8217;m no expert. I&#8217;m a learner. THEY call me a teacher.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great words.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could quote something from Plato or Socrates or heaven forbid Gardner ( maybe Holt ) here and look like a real twit. Or, point to something on YouTube that&#039;s better evidence that life exists outside of  state penitentiary&#039;s disguised as walled gardens.

Teacher&#039;s IMO are no or any more expert than lion tamers jumping through their own fiery hoops for want of a ferocious beast that resembled something we once feared, shot and mounted on wall plaques for small children to wonder at.

Teacher&#039;s have been trained to ensure roll calls occur, mints are eaten amidst powerpoints being read to them by butcher-paper wielding shafilitators. Who else would sit in groups and be barked at for hours on end about learning outcomes, swimming carnivals, assembly, yard-duty and MSB  ?

It&#039;s like most trades - you have to endure the fact that you&#039;ll always have some red-neck pumped with far too much self importance proclaim leadership standing at the too-far-gone-too-care pulpit of knowledgeness inculcation.

Then there will always be some idiot who thought that jamming the dunny up with newspaper was funny, or letting the Principals car tyres down after super-gluing up the locks.

The difference is that our dumb arse musings will be on the web for a log time to come. 

For those of us that believe the internet will not go away. 

For those of us who actually consider the the only thing worth teaching kids is how to break the system that would otherwise render them mute and incompetent in the face of creative challenge.

I&#039;m no expert. I&#039;m a learner. 

THEY call me a teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could quote something from Plato or Socrates or heaven forbid Gardner ( maybe Holt ) here and look like a real twit. Or, point to something on YouTube that&#8217;s better evidence that life exists outside of  state penitentiary&#8217;s disguised as walled gardens.</p>
<p>Teacher&#8217;s IMO are no or any more expert than lion tamers jumping through their own fiery hoops for want of a ferocious beast that resembled something we once feared, shot and mounted on wall plaques for small children to wonder at.</p>
<p>Teacher&#8217;s have been trained to ensure roll calls occur, mints are eaten amidst powerpoints being read to them by butcher-paper wielding shafilitators. Who else would sit in groups and be barked at for hours on end about learning outcomes, swimming carnivals, assembly, yard-duty and MSB  ?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like most trades &#8211; you have to endure the fact that you&#8217;ll always have some red-neck pumped with far too much self importance proclaim leadership standing at the too-far-gone-too-care pulpit of knowledgeness inculcation.</p>
<p>Then there will always be some idiot who thought that jamming the dunny up with newspaper was funny, or letting the Principals car tyres down after super-gluing up the locks.</p>
<p>The difference is that our dumb arse musings will be on the web for a log time to come. </p>
<p>For those of us that believe the internet will not go away. </p>
<p>For those of us who actually consider the the only thing worth teaching kids is how to break the system that would otherwise render them mute and incompetent in the face of creative challenge.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert. I&#8217;m a learner. </p>
<p>THEY call me a teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Winton</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/06/17/teachers-are-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-12203</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Winton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Graham,
I think you&#039;ve highlighted one of the real dichotomies in using Web2.0 for teachers when you remind us that:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Our students have been told since birth to “express their point of view” and “have an opinion” by their families, the education system, media and society in general. Translate that to an online world and you have the MySpace Generation.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

For too long we&#039;ve told pupils to have an opinion, but weren&#039;t really prepared to give them an audience for that opinion... suddenly with web2.0, we can --- and often with quite remarkable results (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinklab.typepad.com/think_lab/2007/06/remember_ethan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian Long&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; for more info on this).

The problem with wide-spread adoption of Web2.0 in classrooms is not really too different from the problems that have always beset education, namely a workforce that is all too often comfortable in the old dispensation. But they will eventually be replaced by more &#039;modern&#039; colleagues who expect the tools to be in place... and in the meantime, the pupils are using them anyway... 

I&#039;ve often felt that education as an entity is just too cumbersome and slow to react to change and new ideas. The irony is that in the past this has been on the basis of expense (&quot;The new books cost too much&quot;, &quot;We&#039;ve already spent time and money on implementing &lt;i&gt;x, y, and z&lt;/i&gt;...&quot;), but Web2.0 tools are effectively free so we begin to see the excuses for what they really are... excuses.

I think we all just have to do what we can. In my own case, that means using blogs with my classes as a form of online jotter. Not particularly radical, or even imaginative, but it does mean that my more reticent colleagues can understand what I&#039;m doing (especially when they realise that it means you can never &#039;forget&#039; your homework again)... and ultimately, it is the thin end of the wedge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graham,<br />
I think you&#8217;ve highlighted one of the real dichotomies in using Web2.0 for teachers when you remind us that:<br />
<i>&#8220;Our students have been told since birth to “express their point of view” and “have an opinion” by their families, the education system, media and society in general. Translate that to an online world and you have the MySpace Generation.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>For too long we&#8217;ve told pupils to have an opinion, but weren&#8217;t really prepared to give them an audience for that opinion&#8230; suddenly with web2.0, we can &#8212; and often with quite remarkable results (see <a href="http://thinklab.typepad.com/think_lab/2007/06/remember_ethan.html" rel="nofollow">Christian Long&#8217;s blog</a> for more info on this).</p>
<p>The problem with wide-spread adoption of Web2.0 in classrooms is not really too different from the problems that have always beset education, namely a workforce that is all too often comfortable in the old dispensation. But they will eventually be replaced by more &#8216;modern&#8217; colleagues who expect the tools to be in place&#8230; and in the meantime, the pupils are using them anyway&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often felt that education as an entity is just too cumbersome and slow to react to change and new ideas. The irony is that in the past this has been on the basis of expense (&#8221;The new books cost too much&#8221;, &#8220;We&#8217;ve already spent time and money on implementing <i>x, y, and z</i>&#8230;&#8221;), but Web2.0 tools are effectively free so we begin to see the excuses for what they really are&#8230; excuses.</p>
<p>I think we all just have to do what we can. In my own case, that means using blogs with my classes as a form of online jotter. Not particularly radical, or even imaginative, but it does mean that my more reticent colleagues can understand what I&#8217;m doing (especially when they realise that it means you can never &#8216;forget&#8217; your homework again)&#8230; and ultimately, it is the thin end of the wedge!</p>
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		<title>By: Artichoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artichoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only it were that simple Graham  - when I feel like you do (which is often) I go back to Hodas&#039;s 1993 critique on this, it must be good - so many others have copied his thinking since -  

Check out TECHNOLOGY REFUSAL AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURE OF SCHOOLS in EDUCATION POLICY ANALYSIS ARCHIVES Volume 1 Number 10 September 14, 1993

&lt;i&gt;For nearly a century outsiders have been trying to introduce
technologies into high school classrooms, with remarkably
consistent results. After proclaiming the potential of the new
tools to rescue the classroom from the dark ages and usher in an
age of efficiency and enlightenment, technologists find to their
dismay that teachers can often be persuaded to use the new tools
only slightly, if at all. They find further that, even when the
tools are used, classroom practice--the look-and-feel of schools
--remains fundamentally unchanged. Indeed, the last technologies
to have had a lasting impact on the organization and practice of
schooling were the textbook and the blackboard.

What is often overlooked, however, is that schools
themselves are a technology, a way of knowing applied to a
specific goal, albeit one so familiar that it has become
transparent. They are systems for preserving and transmitting
information and authority, for inculcating certain values and
practices while minimizing or eliminating others, and have
evolved over the past one hundred years or so to perform this
function more efficiently (Tyack, 1974). &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only it were that simple Graham  &#8211; when I feel like you do (which is often) I go back to Hodas&#8217;s 1993 critique on this, it must be good &#8211; so many others have copied his thinking since &#8211;  </p>
<p>Check out TECHNOLOGY REFUSAL AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURE OF SCHOOLS in EDUCATION POLICY ANALYSIS ARCHIVES Volume 1 Number 10 September 14, 1993</p>
<p><i>For nearly a century outsiders have been trying to introduce<br />
technologies into high school classrooms, with remarkably<br />
consistent results. After proclaiming the potential of the new<br />
tools to rescue the classroom from the dark ages and usher in an<br />
age of efficiency and enlightenment, technologists find to their<br />
dismay that teachers can often be persuaded to use the new tools<br />
only slightly, if at all. They find further that, even when the<br />
tools are used, classroom practice&#8211;the look-and-feel of schools<br />
&#8211;remains fundamentally unchanged. Indeed, the last technologies<br />
to have had a lasting impact on the organization and practice of<br />
schooling were the textbook and the blackboard.</p>
<p>What is often overlooked, however, is that schools<br />
themselves are a technology, a way of knowing applied to a<br />
specific goal, albeit one so familiar that it has become<br />
transparent. They are systems for preserving and transmitting<br />
information and authority, for inculcating certain values and<br />
practices while minimizing or eliminating others, and have<br />
evolved over the past one hundred years or so to perform this<br />
function more efficiently (Tyack, 1974). </i></p>
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		<title>By: heyjude</title>
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		<dc:creator>heyjude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham, I also welcome &#039;pulling the pedestal down&#039;, but as you have so correctly identified the problem (for Australia at least) it is more that  position rather than open discussion that drives decision-making in many of our schools.    I am interested in John&#039;s comment - particularly because it gives me an insight into why Scottish education seems to break through the issues that we struggle with down-under. Surprisingly, given our &#039;larrikin&#039; approach, there is a culture of fear in many schools and education circles. We have great teachers who are working with Web 2.0, but only isolated examples of schools who applaud their work! Web 2.0 clearly shows us which of the &#039;emporers&#039; have &#039;no clothes&#039;. Being in a leadership position has never meant that you are smart!  There might not be a pressure to keep your mouth shut in Scotland, but that does not apply in OZ. Those who are lucky can get on with challenging traditional education practice, and enjoy working with the benefits of Web 2.0. The others will be regarded as being subversive rather than being innovative. The problem seems to be that the further up people go in the promotion ranks, the less tolerant they become of open discussion. The safe route then is to use other experts - however thinly veiled - to transmit messages because they provide a veneer of clever safety in promoting innovation. It is the grassroots teachers who make Web 2.0 work - not the leaders. (This is a radical shift in education).  From my experience, even if leaders know what Web 2.0 is they don&#039;t actually use Web 2.0 to empower their daily work and leadership in the way that a teacher does.  Thanks to hardworking teachers, like yourself Graham, we can see how schooling can be transformed. Yes, I agree with your comment that &quot;As a profession, we have yet to grasp the fact that this new technology can give us the power to realise our own expertise.&quot;  I would ring a bell of warning though...we need to ease ourselves into Web 2.0 and can&#039;t push it faster than it is going right now.  Why?  Because unless we&#039;re careful the next wave will be .....leaders using Web 2.0 to still get teachers to toe the party line! How can this happen you ask?  Easy! It goes something like this.... &quot;Do what I like, say what I like, don&#039;t upset me, and you&#039;ll get ahead mate&quot;. Yes its out there, and its real and Web 2.0 won&#039;t necessarily change anything. What will change everthing will be the students themselves and the teachers ready and willing to work with them in a Web 2.0 world.

Love the conversation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham, I also welcome &#8216;pulling the pedestal down&#8217;, but as you have so correctly identified the problem (for Australia at least) it is more that  position rather than open discussion that drives decision-making in many of our schools.    I am interested in John&#8217;s comment &#8211; particularly because it gives me an insight into why Scottish education seems to break through the issues that we struggle with down-under. Surprisingly, given our &#8216;larrikin&#8217; approach, there is a culture of fear in many schools and education circles. We have great teachers who are working with Web 2.0, but only isolated examples of schools who applaud their work! Web 2.0 clearly shows us which of the &#8216;emporers&#8217; have &#8216;no clothes&#8217;. Being in a leadership position has never meant that you are smart!  There might not be a pressure to keep your mouth shut in Scotland, but that does not apply in OZ. Those who are lucky can get on with challenging traditional education practice, and enjoy working with the benefits of Web 2.0. The others will be regarded as being subversive rather than being innovative. The problem seems to be that the further up people go in the promotion ranks, the less tolerant they become of open discussion. The safe route then is to use other experts &#8211; however thinly veiled &#8211; to transmit messages because they provide a veneer of clever safety in promoting innovation. It is the grassroots teachers who make Web 2.0 work &#8211; not the leaders. (This is a radical shift in education).  From my experience, even if leaders know what Web 2.0 is they don&#8217;t actually use Web 2.0 to empower their daily work and leadership in the way that a teacher does.  Thanks to hardworking teachers, like yourself Graham, we can see how schooling can be transformed. Yes, I agree with your comment that &#8220;As a profession, we have yet to grasp the fact that this new technology can give us the power to realise our own expertise.&#8221;  I would ring a bell of warning though&#8230;we need to ease ourselves into Web 2.0 and can&#8217;t push it faster than it is going right now.  Why?  Because unless we&#8217;re careful the next wave will be &#8230;..leaders using Web 2.0 to still get teachers to toe the party line! How can this happen you ask?  Easy! It goes something like this&#8230;. &#8220;Do what I like, say what I like, don&#8217;t upset me, and you&#8217;ll get ahead mate&#8221;. Yes its out there, and its real and Web 2.0 won&#8217;t necessarily change anything. What will change everthing will be the students themselves and the teachers ready and willing to work with them in a Web 2.0 world.</p>
<p>Love the conversation!</p>
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