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		<title>By: Bryn&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CEGSA Conference Adelaide</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/07/21/cegsa07-notes-and-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-12586</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryn&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CEGSA Conference Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Graham Wegner has it well covered in his blog on CEGSA07. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Graham Wegner has it well covered in his blog on CEGSA07. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Seyfang</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/07/21/cegsa07-notes-and-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-12579</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Seyfang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham,
JP just made a brilliant post relating to the artificial scarcity stuff on his confused of calcutta blog.  Take a peek. Subscribe.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfusedOfCalcutta/~3/136234851/

Fang - Mike Seyfang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham,<br />
JP just made a brilliant post relating to the artificial scarcity stuff on his confused of calcutta blog.  Take a peek. Subscribe.</p>
<p><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfusedOfCalcutta/~3/136234851/" rel="nofollow">http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfusedOfCalcutta/~3/136234851/</a></p>
<p>Fang &#8211; Mike Seyfang</p>
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		<title>By: lucychili</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucychili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi GW and folks

I agree that we need open communities.
I did think that an approach of having the user decide if their individual component of info was public was ok. It means people could draft something and &#039;publish&#039; it later? Perhaps I am sliding into codgerness.

I found the mix of concrete squeak and web 2 conversation in Bill and Graham&#039;s presentations useful. 

I feel that the SJ stuff about teachers is more a product of context and delivering to formal requirements than any innate SJ flavour. Although I guess if you want stretchy folk they will self select out of more formal contexts. 

Apologies for not putting a paper in and for being a chaos fairy on the day.  Hoping that the codecamp will become a kind of applied group paper/project.

j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi GW and folks</p>
<p>I agree that we need open communities.<br />
I did think that an approach of having the user decide if their individual component of info was public was ok. It means people could draft something and &#8216;publish&#8217; it later? Perhaps I am sliding into codgerness.</p>
<p>I found the mix of concrete squeak and web 2 conversation in Bill and Graham&#8217;s presentations useful. </p>
<p>I feel that the SJ stuff about teachers is more a product of context and delivering to formal requirements than any innate SJ flavour. Although I guess if you want stretchy folk they will self select out of more formal contexts. </p>
<p>Apologies for not putting a paper in and for being a chaos fairy on the day.  Hoping that the codecamp will become a kind of applied group paper/project.</p>
<p>j</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Wegner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Wegner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al, Paul and Peter, thanks for your feedback here. On the FOSS front, I am big supporter of increasing awareness about open source and free software amongst educators - but I do like to have some background knowledge before I make assertions that are inaccurate. It has taken online involvement to raise my awareness and I do use some of the apps on the CD already. I&#039;d be more than happy to &quot;spread the understanding&quot; but I think you will find many open source advocates with greater knowledge and influence than me already reading this blog. Have you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mguhlin.net/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Miguel Guhlin&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tuttlesvc.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Hoffmann&lt;/a&gt; for starters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, Paul and Peter, thanks for your feedback here. On the FOSS front, I am big supporter of increasing awareness about open source and free software amongst educators &#8211; but I do like to have some background knowledge before I make assertions that are inaccurate. It has taken online involvement to raise my awareness and I do use some of the apps on the CD already. I&#8217;d be more than happy to &#8220;spread the understanding&#8221; but I think you will find many open source advocates with greater knowledge and influence than me already reading this blog. Have you read <a href="http://www.mguhlin.net/index.htm" rel="nofollow">Miguel Guhlin</a> or <a href="http://www.tuttlesvc.org/" rel="nofollow">Tom Hoffmann</a> for starters?</p>
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		<title>By: John Pearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Graham,

Interesting isn&#039;t it how the trends change and evolve. Maybe it&#039;s because we have a more open environment over here in Vic insofar as blogs etc and schools go. At last year&#039;s equivalent to CEGSA, the ICTEV conference, there were 3-4 Web 2.0 based sessions on offer compared with the 7-8 focussed on IWB&#039;s. This year there were some 15 Web 2.0 sessions including James F and Jo as well as Greg Gephart from Netalert. So maybe the full wave is yet to hit over there in SA.

As I blogged recently I was very disappointed by the attendance at one of my sessions at the Science Teachers Conference in Perth recently. For the practical hands on session, make a blog and wiki I only had four participants yet back in Melbourne the next Friday I had 15 participants. This despite a worry from the ICTEV people about teachers attending all day PD&#039;s in their hols. I wouldn&#039;t despair too much as in the words of that old ad, &quot;It won&#039;t happen overnight but it will happen&quot; (I think old age is hitting as that doesn&#039;t sound quite correct even though the sentiments are what I mean.)

In the mean time it gives you more time to hone that message for when the hordes do start beating down the door. Hey I&#039;m jealous though that you got to have such a laid back chat with Al etc. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graham,</p>
<p>Interesting isn&#8217;t it how the trends change and evolve. Maybe it&#8217;s because we have a more open environment over here in Vic insofar as blogs etc and schools go. At last year&#8217;s equivalent to CEGSA, the ICTEV conference, there were 3-4 Web 2.0 based sessions on offer compared with the 7-8 focussed on IWB&#8217;s. This year there were some 15 Web 2.0 sessions including James F and Jo as well as Greg Gephart from Netalert. So maybe the full wave is yet to hit over there in SA.</p>
<p>As I blogged recently I was very disappointed by the attendance at one of my sessions at the Science Teachers Conference in Perth recently. For the practical hands on session, make a blog and wiki I only had four participants yet back in Melbourne the next Friday I had 15 participants. This despite a worry from the ICTEV people about teachers attending all day PD&#8217;s in their hols. I wouldn&#8217;t despair too much as in the words of that old ad, &#8220;It won&#8217;t happen overnight but it will happen&#8221; (I think old age is hitting as that doesn&#8217;t sound quite correct even though the sentiments are what I mean.)</p>
<p>In the mean time it gives you more time to hone that message for when the hordes do start beating down the door. Hey I&#8217;m jealous though that you got to have such a laid back chat with Al etc. <img src='http://gwegner.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ruwoldt</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/07/21/cegsa07-notes-and-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-12570</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ruwoldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When I expressed my concerns to Peter Ruwoldt, he merely offered me a handkerchief for my tears!&quot;
bwahahahaha

I am really pleased that you found the Open Source software of interest.  You have a blog with a great reputation that could do a lot of good in terms of spreading an understanding about this.  FOSS provides a fantastic way for schools to be encouraging students to be continuing with their learning outside of school unencumbered.

&#039;Learn with the Free Stuff first&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When I expressed my concerns to Peter Ruwoldt, he merely offered me a handkerchief for my tears!&#8221;<br />
bwahahahaha</p>
<p>I am really pleased that you found the Open Source software of interest.  You have a blog with a great reputation that could do a lot of good in terms of spreading an understanding about this.  FOSS provides a fantastic way for schools to be encouraging students to be continuing with their learning outside of school unencumbered.</p>
<p>&#8216;Learn with the Free Stuff first&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/07/21/cegsa07-notes-and-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-12568</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Graham it is always useful to see what others are doing. The FOSS wiki was missing a couple of key bits of software that I&#039;d promote. Artrage is a great painting tool for schools to have. Camstudio is another I&#039;d really recommend for people to make instructional video. My list is at 

http://paulwilkinson1.googlepages.com/softwarelinks

if anyone is interested.

That OLPC laptop looked interesting. I&#039;d love to have a play. What are your thoughts on it after having a hands on? 

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Graham it is always useful to see what others are doing. The FOSS wiki was missing a couple of key bits of software that I&#8217;d promote. Artrage is a great painting tool for schools to have. Camstudio is another I&#8217;d really recommend for people to make instructional video. My list is at </p>
<p><a href="http://paulwilkinson1.googlepages.com/softwarelinks" rel="nofollow">http://paulwilkinson1.googlepages.com/softwarelinks</a></p>
<p>if anyone is interested.</p>
<p>That OLPC laptop looked interesting. I&#8217;d love to have a play. What are your thoughts on it after having a hands on? </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Al Upton</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/07/21/cegsa07-notes-and-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-12567</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great response to the conf Graham - I&#039;m ecstatic to see the distance you have travelled .. and the contributions! Mind you a &#039;four mug&#039; conference doesn&#039;t leave all that much room for checking out other presentations/workshops. Maybe it would&#039;ve been better with a bottle of wine (or similar) for each session you did? 

It&#039;s a shame you couldn&#039;t stay around for the committee debriefing afterwards - As we start to use and demonstrate online social networks ourselves, others will come to see the benefits, use and adopt them for their own learning and collaborations. We&#039;re still very much a minority but there really are people with vision within the system - we just have to develop strategies to reach them AND the teachers as well. Targeting both ends (but not directing them) - that&#039;s why I talk of &quot;using what we have NOW&quot;, &quot;developing a critical mass&quot; and (a most innapropriate phrase for SA) &quot;the snowball effect&quot;. It appalls me that words like &#039;web authoring&#039; &#039;web hosting&#039;, &#039;chat&#039;, &#039;games&#039; and &#039;storage&#039; (this is a big one) continue to stop our access to faciliate rich learning. As more sites become available then we will have more options. For now &#039;work arounds&#039; and using unfiltered sites (eg edublogs.org) are what we have to work with. That&#039;s why I&#039;m developing the South Australian Preschools Blogging Network ... &#039;get them while they&#039;re young&#039; actually is get &#039;them&#039; (the system and the teachers) while they&#039;re (the kids) are young :) http://hayki.edublogs.org/ 
Meanwhile I hope my passion for online social learning tools and fury of the obstructions (including &quot;negligent&quot; - my words - administrators and teachers) were evident at the conference. Online learning is part of our work detail - it&#039;s embedded in what we signed up for!
I also implore you to continue your quest to spread the word of what is, can, could and might be integral to new directions of learning in SA and beyond ... not that anyone could stop you now :)

Although I&#039;ve yet to determine my own &#039;re-entry&#039; strategy into the global networking scene, I&#039;ve got you to thank for encouraging me to dedicate more time there. 
Thanks again for your continued contributions. It&#039;s great having you on our committee now. I&#039;m sure we will see more Ning and Twitter (or similar) forming part of our 2008 conference. It&#039;s time to start planning and seeking out more kind hearted keynotes. Ideas abound :) 
The world is such a glorious resource and is full of wonderful souls. I can&#039;t wait to get back to it. Cheers, Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response to the conf Graham &#8211; I&#8217;m ecstatic to see the distance you have travelled .. and the contributions! Mind you a &#8216;four mug&#8217; conference doesn&#8217;t leave all that much room for checking out other presentations/workshops. Maybe it would&#8217;ve been better with a bottle of wine (or similar) for each session you did? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame you couldn&#8217;t stay around for the committee debriefing afterwards &#8211; As we start to use and demonstrate online social networks ourselves, others will come to see the benefits, use and adopt them for their own learning and collaborations. We&#8217;re still very much a minority but there really are people with vision within the system &#8211; we just have to develop strategies to reach them AND the teachers as well. Targeting both ends (but not directing them) &#8211; that&#8217;s why I talk of &#8220;using what we have NOW&#8221;, &#8220;developing a critical mass&#8221; and (a most innapropriate phrase for SA) &#8220;the snowball effect&#8221;. It appalls me that words like &#8216;web authoring&#8217; &#8216;web hosting&#8217;, &#8216;chat&#8217;, &#8216;games&#8217; and &#8216;storage&#8217; (this is a big one) continue to stop our access to faciliate rich learning. As more sites become available then we will have more options. For now &#8216;work arounds&#8217; and using unfiltered sites (eg edublogs.org) are what we have to work with. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m developing the South Australian Preschools Blogging Network &#8230; &#8216;get them while they&#8217;re young&#8217; actually is get &#8216;them&#8217; (the system and the teachers) while they&#8217;re (the kids) are young <img src='http://gwegner.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <a href="http://hayki.edublogs.org/" rel="nofollow">http://hayki.edublogs.org/</a><br />
Meanwhile I hope my passion for online social learning tools and fury of the obstructions (including &#8220;negligent&#8221; &#8211; my words &#8211; administrators and teachers) were evident at the conference. Online learning is part of our work detail &#8211; it&#8217;s embedded in what we signed up for!<br />
I also implore you to continue your quest to spread the word of what is, can, could and might be integral to new directions of learning in SA and beyond &#8230; not that anyone could stop you now <img src='http://gwegner.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ve yet to determine my own &#8216;re-entry&#8217; strategy into the global networking scene, I&#8217;ve got you to thank for encouraging me to dedicate more time there.<br />
Thanks again for your continued contributions. It&#8217;s great having you on our committee now. I&#8217;m sure we will see more Ning and Twitter (or similar) forming part of our 2008 conference. It&#8217;s time to start planning and seeking out more kind hearted keynotes. Ideas abound <img src='http://gwegner.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The world is such a glorious resource and is full of wonderful souls. I can&#8217;t wait to get back to it. Cheers, Al</p>
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