Comments on: Disruptive Student Owned Technology http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Keeping Unacceptable Content Out of Schools | An Expat Educator in Asia http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14128 Keeping Unacceptable Content Out of Schools | An Expat Educator in Asia Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:09:13 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14128 [...] is a problem that a few schools are dealing with now as you can see by this post on Disruptive Student Owned Technology by an Australian educator. In short, rather than kids being able to bring along “any” [...] [...] is a problem that a few schools are dealing with now as you can see by this post on Disruptive Student Owned Technology by an Australian educator. In short, rather than kids being able to bring along “any” [...]

]]> By: garyb http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14119 garyb Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:16:20 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14119 part of the issue is security for institutions with a competant team of IT support the security is tight, and can be met proactively if breached. (australian) high schools typically have 2/3 technicians but not necessarily equipped with the skills to combat the latest attacks which can arrive on a thumb drive primary(elementary) schools ...well maybe the students can be trusted or bluffed(bullied) to not experimenting with the network. most computers in larger secondary school do not have CD/DVD rives because the computerr can be attacked and control taken from the network a pain...but also a reality this is a constant problem in industry, usually the system is locked very tightly security is never turned off, nor accessible to users part of the issue is security

for institutions with a competant team of IT support the security is tight, and can be met proactively if breached.

(australian) high schools typically have 2/3 technicians but not necessarily equipped with the skills to combat the latest attacks which can arrive on a thumb drive

primary(elementary) schools …well maybe the students can be trusted or bluffed(bullied) to not experimenting with the network.

most computers in larger secondary school do not have CD/DVD rives because the computerr can be attacked and control taken from the network

a pain…but also a reality

this is a constant problem in industry, usually the system is locked very tightly

security is never turned off, nor accessible to users

]]> By: Education Blog - Education Blog - DELL COMMUNITY http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14118 Education Blog - Education Blog - DELL COMMUNITY Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:00:01 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14118 [...] another note, Graham Wegner blogged last month about disruptive student-owned technology in the form of USB [...] [...] another note, Graham Wegner blogged last month about disruptive student-owned technology in the form of USB [...]

]]> By: Geoff Lubich http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14109 Geoff Lubich Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:23:09 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14109 Hi Graham As both a TAFE lecturer in WA and a developer of online learning systems i still find it difficult to comprehend the sheer ignorance that exists in the antiquated mindsets of IT and education management. I think it is 2009, I think there is technology that our students use that we are only able to dream about having the use of,I know there is the most incredible learning resource that has ever been created just outside the door. You cant hide from this stuff, if our students have computers at home on which they under pressure from society do most of their learning, then we as educators and education institutions have an obligation are provide for that. Cant afford USB sticks what a load of crap, you can buy USB devices in bulk at about $4.00 each, OH thats right they have to buy through a stupid public sector purchasing system, which pumps the price up to a ridiculous level. They should be bought in bulk and given to the students. Makes me realize how lucky i am to work in a instition with open web access and an open attitude about the use of devices. I have worked at this TAFE since IT systems were first installed and i cant recall a single instance where the student network has been compromised by student data or storage hardware. And yes we have had students spend to long on the web go to some questionable sites. But these are student management issues and should be managed as such, not by saying it is too hard so we will deny access to everything I would be lost as an automotive lecturer if i didn't have access to the in excess of 30000 auto training videos on you tube. How as an educator can a lecturer or teacher possibly be expected to provide fully current high quality flexible learning without access to all the best free resources that exist on the most important training resource ever created. Must have something to do with the forest of BS that higher level are forced to work behind, you know the one that stops them seeing the wood Hi Graham
As both a TAFE lecturer in WA and a developer of online learning systems i still find it difficult to comprehend the sheer ignorance that exists in the antiquated mindsets of IT and education management.
I think it is 2009, I think there is technology that our students use that we are only able to dream about having the use of,I know there is the most incredible learning resource that has ever been created just outside the door.
You cant hide from this stuff, if our students have computers at home on which they under pressure from society do most of their learning, then we as educators and education institutions have an obligation are provide for that.
Cant afford USB sticks what a load of crap, you can buy USB devices in bulk at about $4.00 each, OH thats right they have to buy through a stupid public sector purchasing system, which pumps the price up to a ridiculous level.
They should be bought in bulk and given to the students.
Makes me realize how lucky i am to work in a instition with open web access and an open attitude about the use of devices. I have worked at this TAFE since IT systems were first installed and i cant recall a single instance where the student network has been compromised by student data or storage hardware.
And yes we have had students spend to long on the web go to some questionable sites. But these are student management issues and should be managed as such, not by saying it is too hard so we will deny access to everything
I would be lost as an automotive lecturer if i didn’t have access to the in excess of 30000 auto training videos on you tube.
How as an educator can a lecturer or teacher possibly be expected to provide fully current high quality flexible learning without access to all the best free resources that exist on the most important training resource ever created.
Must have something to do with the forest of BS that higher level are forced to work behind, you know the one that stops them seeing the wood

]]> By: alexanderhayes http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14107 alexanderhayes Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:52:58 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14107 Where will they store 100's of gigabytes of their POV videos Graham ? Where will they store 100′s of gigabytes of their POV videos Graham ?

]]> By: Trevor http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14091 Trevor Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:10:02 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14091 My school district has no restrictions on usb in the school. My colleges and I encourage our students to bring save all their important files on usb drives for back-up and general ease of use. We do not provide our students with these drives and it is completely up to the student to provide this flash drive. Those students that have them tend to keep track or them without much issue. Another suggestion for those students who are not able to use USB drives, and wish to save their work to complete at home is to set up an email account and saving the work as an attachement. This is what I have my 8th graders do. This is the best of both worlds, they can save their work and the excuse I lost my drive never comes up...the internet cannot be lost. They like it and it they are always able to access their files from any computer that has internet capablitiy. You might want to try that out. My school district has no restrictions on usb in the school. My colleges and I encourage our students to bring save all their important files on usb drives for back-up and general ease of use. We do not provide our students with these drives and it is completely up to the student to provide this flash drive. Those students that have them tend to keep track or them without much issue.

Another suggestion for those students who are not able to use USB drives, and wish to save their work to complete at home is to set up an email account and saving the work as an attachement. This is what I have my 8th graders do. This is the best of both worlds, they can save their work and the excuse I lost my drive never comes up…the internet cannot be lost. They like it and it they are always able to access their files from any computer that has internet capablitiy. You might want to try that out.

]]> By: Rhondda http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14084 Rhondda Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:55:24 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14084 This is an issue for many schools, Graham. As a notebook school all students are required to have a memory stick and use external devices for backup purposes. Teachers are expected to be alert to the use of USB sticks in their classrooms, and, although it doesn't always work, I believe if we make our lessons authentic, and interesting to students, it goes along way to them staying on task. I am very interested in seeing what others are doing in this area. Thanks for the discussion. This is an issue for many schools, Graham. As a notebook school all students are required to have a memory stick and use external devices for backup purposes. Teachers are expected to be alert to the use of USB sticks in their classrooms, and, although it doesn’t always work, I believe if we make our lessons authentic, and interesting to students, it goes along way to them staying on task. I am very interested in seeing what others are doing in this area. Thanks for the discussion.

]]> By: Peter Ruwoldt http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14080 Peter Ruwoldt Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:11:48 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14080 Google Docs may be another option for online sharing without needing to have MS Office. The downside of these online solutions is that these things are not within the DECS VPN and so all data transfers incur a cost. Google Docs may be another option for online sharing without needing to have MS Office.

The downside of these online solutions is that these things are not within the DECS VPN and so all data transfers incur a cost.

]]> By: David Alexander http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14079 David Alexander Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:00:19 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14079 Hi Graham, The question you pose is a key pain that we've found a number of educators & institutions are thinking through. In addition to the challenge of the thumbdrive, easily enabling collaboration in a learning environment (student-to-student; student-to-teacher; teacher-to-teacher)can be difficult to say the least. While I don't recall you mentioning any specific online solutions to help with the problem, there are a number of them out there that may prove to be a reliable remedy. The one I personally work on is Microsoft Office Live Workspace (http://workspace.officelive.com/). It allows anyone to create an online workspace where they can store and access more than 1000+ documents. They can also share individual workspaces or documents with friends, classmates, or teachers to get feedback, edits, all merged into the same document. The best part is, you don't even have to have Office installed on your machine to view the docs. See this link for an example version of how a teacher might use Office Live Workspace to share information with their students: http://tinyurl.com/brz65h Would be happy to discuss with you over email if you had any questions, or wanted to chat further. Thanks! David Alexander Senior Product Manager Microsoft Office Live dalex@microsoft.com Hi Graham,
The question you pose is a key pain that we’ve found a number of educators & institutions are thinking through. In addition to the challenge of the thumbdrive, easily enabling collaboration in a learning environment (student-to-student; student-to-teacher; teacher-to-teacher)can be difficult to say the least.

While I don’t recall you mentioning any specific online solutions to help with the problem, there are a number of them out there that may prove to be a reliable remedy. The one I personally work on is Microsoft Office Live Workspace (http://workspace.officelive.com/).

It allows anyone to create an online workspace where they can store and access more than 1000+ documents. They can also share individual workspaces or documents with friends, classmates, or teachers to get feedback, edits, all merged into the same document. The best part is, you don’t even have to have Office installed on your machine to view the docs. See this link for an example version of how a teacher might use Office Live Workspace to share information with their students: http://tinyurl.com/brz65h

Would be happy to discuss with you over email if you had any questions, or wanted to chat further. Thanks!

David Alexander
Senior Product Manager
Microsoft Office Live
dalex@microsoft.com

]]> By: Brihs521 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/02/04/disruptive-student-owned-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-14078 Brihs521 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:02:48 +0000 http://gwegner.edublogs.org/?p=676#comment-14078 Is it possible to make the school machines request admin access to add programs? It seems to me that most files would be .ppt, .pdf, .doc and others of the like (including .docx, etc.), so only those files would need to be accessible through the computer being used at the school. This is probably not as easy as I think it is, but it could be as easy as limiting what is accessible from the key on the school machine. Is it possible to make the school machines request admin access to add programs? It seems to me that most files would be .ppt, .pdf, .doc and others of the like (including .docx, etc.), so only those files would need to be accessible through the computer being used at the school. This is probably not as easy as I think it is, but it could be as easy as limiting what is accessible from the key on the school machine.

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