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		<title>By: Graham Wegner</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/04/22/the-onus-is-on-who/comment-page-1/#comment-14173</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Wegner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ken. Your post conincided nicely with our final week of the term with the students scrambling to put their evidence together for the highly prized High Flyer certificate and panic setting on those students who have been patiently waiting for their teachers to tell them how to pull it all together. It was a shock to them that others had already started without waiting for their folders, using their own time and without a teacher spoon feeding the process. I do think we have an advantage in the lower year levels where we are the main teachers in front of them for the week - there is no subject separation, no grade driven agenda and more curricula freedom. There isn&#039;t as much incentive for adopting a life long learner perspective in the high system as such - although we do have some progressive schools here in South Australia seeking to change that. I&#039;m lucky that I am working with colleagues who are advocates of the life long learning mindset. It does make a huge difference. This is not entirely true throughout the whole school (IMHO) but my learning team is certainly switched on and the school is expected to be headed in this direction. This is probably why it is puzzling still to have students who find this all to be a surprise. &quot;What do you mean? We are responsible for our own learning? I thought that was your job.&quot;

@Chloe The History class conundrum is a hard one, just because it is high school and students no doubt have more than just your class work to contend with. So, with that pressure, I&#039;m not sure what advice I&#039;d give as our approach here at my school is quite holistic and cuts across all learning areas. The concept of &quot;failing&quot; because of missed homework assignments isn&#039;t really an issue for us here either, especially as we&#039;ve been looking at evidence that says homework doesn&#039;t effectively contribute to learning. I think that it would be hard to implement in just one class but would need to be a whole school or at least a whole faculty approach.

@Kelsey It&#039;s the responsibility and accountability for oneself that scares a lot of students - but if schools don&#039;t try to actively foster some sort of independence for student learning, how else will they achieve it? Even if they don&#039;t like it, it needs to happen. Spoon feeding them plays back into the old model of sit down, shut up and then do good on the test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ken. Your post conincided nicely with our final week of the term with the students scrambling to put their evidence together for the highly prized High Flyer certificate and panic setting on those students who have been patiently waiting for their teachers to tell them how to pull it all together. It was a shock to them that others had already started without waiting for their folders, using their own time and without a teacher spoon feeding the process. I do think we have an advantage in the lower year levels where we are the main teachers in front of them for the week &#8211; there is no subject separation, no grade driven agenda and more curricula freedom. There isn&#8217;t as much incentive for adopting a life long learner perspective in the high system as such &#8211; although we do have some progressive schools here in South Australia seeking to change that. I&#8217;m lucky that I am working with colleagues who are advocates of the life long learning mindset. It does make a huge difference. This is not entirely true throughout the whole school (IMHO) but my learning team is certainly switched on and the school is expected to be headed in this direction. This is probably why it is puzzling still to have students who find this all to be a surprise. &#8220;What do you mean? We are responsible for our own learning? I thought that was your job.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Chloe The History class conundrum is a hard one, just because it is high school and students no doubt have more than just your class work to contend with. So, with that pressure, I&#8217;m not sure what advice I&#8217;d give as our approach here at my school is quite holistic and cuts across all learning areas. The concept of &#8220;failing&#8221; because of missed homework assignments isn&#8217;t really an issue for us here either, especially as we&#8217;ve been looking at evidence that says homework doesn&#8217;t effectively contribute to learning. I think that it would be hard to implement in just one class but would need to be a whole school or at least a whole faculty approach.</p>
<p>@Kelsey It&#8217;s the responsibility and accountability for oneself that scares a lot of students &#8211; but if schools don&#8217;t try to actively foster some sort of independence for student learning, how else will they achieve it? Even if they don&#8217;t like it, it needs to happen. Spoon feeding them plays back into the old model of sit down, shut up and then do good on the test.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/04/22/the-onus-is-on-who/comment-page-1/#comment-14172</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has always seemed interesting me that when you give students more power over their own education, many of them seem to not want it.  They&#039;d rather trade the power for simplicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always seemed interesting me that when you give students more power over their own education, many of them seem to not want it.  They&#8217;d rather trade the power for simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe Root</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chloe Root</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m writing because I&#039;d like to hear more about how you are teaching students to become life-long learners in a way that shows up in their school performance.

I&#039;m a preservice high school teacher who has been in the same history classes for the whole year thus far, and we have a handful of kids who appear to me to be &quot;lifelong learners&quot; in the sense that they are engaged and interested in everything in class, but who are not particularly motivated to complete homework assignments.  A few of them are failing the class, despite the fact that I can tell they are pretty interested in US History and contribute to discussions... it&#039;s simply that they never complete assignments that are assigned as homework.  I suppose this is as much a problem of motivation as being a &quot;lifelong learner,&quot; but I was impressed that you said you could see a noticeable shift among your students and am wondering if there are strategies you have used in promoting student accountability for their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m writing because I&#8217;d like to hear more about how you are teaching students to become life-long learners in a way that shows up in their school performance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a preservice high school teacher who has been in the same history classes for the whole year thus far, and we have a handful of kids who appear to me to be &#8220;lifelong learners&#8221; in the sense that they are engaged and interested in everything in class, but who are not particularly motivated to complete homework assignments.  A few of them are failing the class, despite the fact that I can tell they are pretty interested in US History and contribute to discussions&#8230; it&#8217;s simply that they never complete assignments that are assigned as homework.  I suppose this is as much a problem of motivation as being a &#8220;lifelong learner,&#8221; but I was impressed that you said you could see a noticeable shift among your students and am wondering if there are strategies you have used in promoting student accountability for their work.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to be frustrated.  To look around a school and witness  pervasive apathy and inexorable stagnation.  

You mention a handful of key words in this post that really resonate:
-onus
-initiative
-ownership
and while some may cite this one as a bit glib:
-life-long learning

I&#039;ve been party to faculty diatribes about the clear absence of these traits in the student population, but I&#039;ve also been privy to the dearth of aforementioned traits in teachers.

I&#039;m glad that your school is noticing a subtle shift in each student&#039;s role in his/her own learning, and that the learning that you seem to be focusing on is less content-related, and more a focus on (here I go) &#039;life-long&#039; skills.

But if teaching staffs refuse to adapt and evolve, then I&#039;m left feeling exceptionally worried and deflated.  

Your post shines a light on the fact that too many educators enter the classroom and continue to practice their craft as if the acquisition of a teaching certificate is the lesser-known 11th commandment - a fixed edict that demands no adaptation on the part of the teacher; instead, just a tireless Sisyphean adherence for the duration of one&#039;s career.  

We all need to practice learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to be frustrated.  To look around a school and witness  pervasive apathy and inexorable stagnation.  </p>
<p>You mention a handful of key words in this post that really resonate:<br />
-onus<br />
-initiative<br />
-ownership<br />
and while some may cite this one as a bit glib:<br />
-life-long learning</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been party to faculty diatribes about the clear absence of these traits in the student population, but I&#8217;ve also been privy to the dearth of aforementioned traits in teachers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that your school is noticing a subtle shift in each student&#8217;s role in his/her own learning, and that the learning that you seem to be focusing on is less content-related, and more a focus on (here I go) &#8216;life-long&#8217; skills.</p>
<p>But if teaching staffs refuse to adapt and evolve, then I&#8217;m left feeling exceptionally worried and deflated.  </p>
<p>Your post shines a light on the fact that too many educators enter the classroom and continue to practice their craft as if the acquisition of a teaching certificate is the lesser-known 11th commandment &#8211; a fixed edict that demands no adaptation on the part of the teacher; instead, just a tireless Sisyphean adherence for the duration of one&#8217;s career.  </p>
<p>We all need to practice learning.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2009/04/22/the-onus-is-on-who/comment-page-1/#comment-14166</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m writing a quick comment to let you know that I am planning on leaving a focused (for me) and targeted (again, for me) response.

This is a most interesting topic around my small slice of educational heaven, and recently, &lt;i&gt; the &lt;/i&gt; topic of discussion during lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m writing a quick comment to let you know that I am planning on leaving a focused (for me) and targeted (again, for me) response.</p>
<p>This is a most interesting topic around my small slice of educational heaven, and recently, <i> the </i> topic of discussion during lunch.</p>
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